[Jukebox-list] Question on Wurlitzer 3600

Dave dave.yippee at btinternet.com
Fri Jun 18 11:45:26 PDT 2004


Before changing Relays just nip the pins on the end of the relay to bend
them VERY SLIGHTLY so they make a better contact in the socket.  That might
be all you need (at least temporarilly). Don't go mad with the bending
though.
Dave F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Mar" <whitejeeptj at yahoo.com>
To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question on Wurlitzer 3600


> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Dave - your info really helped me out, I was able to
> get the records to play by manually popping a pin,
> then using the Scan/Load/Run switch to trigger the
> motor to turn on and play the record.
>
> So, I started debugging from the keyboard down. I
> realized the selector motor was not starting. And the
> Latch Solenoid was flakey. So I started checking
> things. I realized when I jiggled RY2 relay, the
> selector motor would turn on, and I could get the
> keyboard to perform the correct sequence (keys staying
> down, popping the selector pin).
>
> The Selector Motor would not turn off until I jiggled
> the RY2 again. So, I"m pretty sure I need to replace
> the RY 2 relay.
>
> Now the question is, should I go ahead and replace all
> the relays?
>
> I'm going to put an order in with Dave's Juke Joint to
> get the relay and the florescent starters for my
> lights.
>
> Is there anything else you guys recommend as a good
> thing to replace at this time?
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> --- Ron Rich <ronnnrich at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dave, Chris
> > Dave you've got the wrong machine---the 3400 up
> > models will not "scan" when the pin is " released"
> > (Wurlitzer's words in quotes)-the "override"
> > assembly must be triggered first. Also, it is very
> > critical that you be extra careful upon manually
> > "releasing" the pins as the springs tend to pop
> > off-- the pin is popped ("released") by an
> > electro-magnet, AFTER the "the magnet arm assemb."
> > has been positioned over the correct pin. At this
> > point, both the magnet and the override are
> > pulsed.Ron Rich
> >
> >
> > Dave <dave.yippee at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi Chris,
> > You can sort of divide the machine into two working
> > halves for initial fault
> > finding. The keyboard sets things in motion which
> > 'pops a pin' for a
> > particular selection on the large ring in the guts
> > of the machine.. There
> > is one pin for each record, spaced around a ring.
> > That's the first half.
> > When a pin is 'popped' (sticks up) the machine then
> > reacts accordingly by
> > setting the bits in motion that bump into the raised
> > pin and play that
> > particular record. That's the second half.
> >
> > So...If you manually reach in and flick a selection
> > pin so that it pops
> > up...you're cutting out half the machine
> > operation...on a Wurlitzer the
> > machine itself will do the second half of the
> > operation (play the record).
> > Which (if it works) means all the second half of the
> > operation is working
> > fine. So the problem lies before that at the
> > keyboard end.
> > If you manually pop a pin up and nothing happens
> > then it is in the second
> > half...the selection system onwards.
> >
> > It sounds from the symptoms you describe that the
> > selection pin is not being
> > released. Or, if it is, then nothing happens after
> > that point.
> > What happens (if I have the machine right....it's
> > easy to get them mixed up.
> > This is for a 3500 anyway)... You press a letter and
> > number button, the keys
> > lock in, a rotating plate under the selector ring
> > rotates..(that's your
> > "bunch of bits" moving).. and when it reaches the
> > correct pin, a small
> > solenoid fires and pushes the pin end so it pops up.
> > After a pin has popped up the keys on the keyboard
> > unlock and the carousel
> > starts to rotate. This is connected to a sweeping
> > arm which bumps into the
> > raised pin as it passes round. When that happens the
> > carousel stops and it
> > goes into the play cycle, picking up the record etc.
> >
> > With this in mind, you may be able to better
> > understand what is working and
> > how far it gets in the process while looking at the
> > mechanism.
> >
> > Dave F.
> > P.S.: If I'm visualising the wrong machine the
> > process will be 'similar' at
> > least.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher Mar"
> > To: "Jukebox mailing list"
> > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Question on Wurlitzer
> > 3600
> >
> >
> > > Ron,
> > > Sorry to be confusing. I was actually able to get
> > > my problem fixed last night. The Gripper Arm has a
> > pin
> > > that holds the bottom jaw open. The pin was not in
> > the
> > > correct position and needed to be behind this
> > metal
> > > hook. Now, I can scan the record cassette.
> > >
> > > Now, I have a new problem. When I select a song
> > > using the buttons, nothing happens. Are there any
> > > resources on the internet discussing
> > troubleshooting
> > > this issue? Everything seems to work when the
> > buttons
> > > are pushed (the solinoid moves, a bunch of parts
> > move
> > > around) but nothing plays.
> > >
> > > Thanks for helping a jukebox newbie.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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