[Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C....

[Justin S.]

Karl, no I'm not talking about the pinbank yet. I am talking about the 
popularity counter. Forget the pinbank for a minute. We need to establish if 
there is a cancel pulse being developed properly in the mech during the 
cycle. don't confuse her yet. the cancel pulse should occur as the record is 
clamped and just about the time the needle sets down. this pulse will 
similtaneously fire the coil in the popularity counter, advancing the 
appropriate selection wheel, AND fire the correct side plunger in the 
pinbank contact block to move the selection lever back to the center 
postion. both coils are in parallel in the circuit. this pulse is developed 
from a set of contacts which mometarily makes contact as the mech cycles. 
now as the mech cycles out of play after the song they make conact again 
only there is another set of contacts which open and should keep the mech 
from cancelling again and accumulating another hit to the popularity meter. 
there should only be one pulse of the popularity meter and it should happen 
about the time the needle hits the record. it is routed throught the 
reversing switches (far left set of contacts) to cancel the correct side. If 
she doesn't have a cancel pulse at the correct time from the mech cycle, no 
amount of fiddling with the pinbank will help get this cancelling on its 
own, so don't get her started on that yet. so jackie specifically, does the 
plunger in the popularity counter fire about the time the needle hits the 
record? if not, specifically when? you mentioned it "fires after the song" 
and this would lead me to believe you have some real contact problems. 
misajusted clutches can also cause cancelling issues as there is a certain 
amount of travel required in the switch stack to get a good pulse. I'm 
beginning to think the tech that worked on this got the mech mixed up and 
this "continuous play" was a hastly way to get it working. please let us 
know what you find jackie. once this point is straightened out will move to 
the pinbank. regards, justin

>From: "Karl" <karlh44 at knology.net>
>To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C...
>
>
> > Jackie
> > He's talking about the pinbank on the back of the mech......near the
> > bottom.
> > You'll have to bend your head down and look up under it to see the
> > pins.......lots of wires on top.
> >
> > Karl
> > Columbus Coin-Op Shop
> > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd
> > Columbus, GA 31903
> > Shop (706) 507-2963
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie" <etreble7 at comcast.net>
> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C...
> >
> >
> >> Justin,
> >> I watched the the counter and YES, the plunger works.  It fires after
the
> >> song.
> >> Jackie
> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin S." 
><fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com>
> >> To: <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:01 PM
> >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C...
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jackie, trying to keep you from getting confused. dave's suggestion
is
> >> > right on the money except i think he's confusing your pinbank with
one
> >> > from a 100A (the 78RPM selectomatic). it has the pins sticking up
with
> > the
> >> > contact block on top. yours along with all other pinbank 100s had the
> > pins
> >> > facing down and the black contact block on the bottom.
> >> >
> >> > jackie check one thing for us. on the mech there is a selection
playing
> >> > indicator. above this on the 100C is a yellow metal cover (goes
between
> >> > the two endcaps). flip this down and you will see the play
accumulator
> >> > underneath. there is a pluger which is activated each time a record
is
> >> > cancelled that counts the number of plays for each record. when the
> > record
> >> > in your machine comes up to play does this plunger fire? if not then
> >> > the
> >> > power has been removed from the cancel circuit altogether and you
will
> >> > need to troubleshoot the whole circuit from the beginning to find
where
> > it
> >> > has been disrupted by the previous tech. if it fires, then just the
> > cancel
> >> > plungers in the contact block have been disabled and your cancel
pulse
> >> > contacts and power to this circuit are still functioning because the
> >> > popularity soleniod is wired in parallel with the cancel coils. In
this
> >> > case check that all of the wires on the contact block are connected.
> > they
> >> > may have just pulled off the two wire clips for the cancel coils;
this
> >> > would be the least "invasive" way to put the machine on continuous
> >> > play.
> >> > let us know how you make out. Justin
> >> >