[Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C....

[Jackie]

Hi Justin,
Ok, looking at the popularity meter, the plunger fires at the time the 
needle hits the record.  After some work on the inside plunger on the frog 
(thank you Ron) it seems to be canceling.

If there is only one pin selected, the record does NOT spin.  If there are 2 
or more selected, it selects, plays and cancels perfectly.  When it gets 
down to only one record selected, it picks up the record and it slowly stops 
spinning.

If I manually select another reocrd or from the keyboard select another 
record, the record that is already pulled and stopped, starts spinning again 
and plays and cancels.

Do I just love these machines!!!  I am really fascinated by it all.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin S." <fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com>
To: <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C....


> Karl, no I'm not talking about the pinbank yet. I am talking about the 
> popularity counter. Forget the pinbank for a minute. We need to establish 
> if there is a cancel pulse being developed properly in the mech during the 
> cycle. don't confuse her yet. the cancel pulse should occur as the record 
> is clamped and just about the time the needle sets down. this pulse will 
> similtaneously fire the coil in the popularity counter, advancing the 
> appropriate selection wheel, AND fire the correct side plunger in the 
> pinbank contact block to move the selection lever back to the center 
> postion. both coils are in parallel in the circuit. this pulse is 
> developed from a set of contacts which mometarily makes contact as the 
> mech cycles. now as the mech cycles out of play after the song they make 
> conact again only there is another set of contacts which open and should 
> keep the mech from cancelling again and accumulating another hit to the 
> popularity meter. there should only be one pulse of the popularity meter 
> and it should happen about the time the needle hits the record. it is 
> routed throught the reversing switches (far left set of contacts) to 
> cancel the correct side. If she doesn't have a cancel pulse at the correct 
> time from the mech cycle, no amount of fiddling with the pinbank will help 
> get this cancelling on its own, so don't get her started on that yet. so 
> jackie specifically, does the plunger in the popularity counter fire about 
> the time the needle hits the record? if not, specifically when? you 
> mentioned it "fires after the song" and this would lead me to believe you 
> have some real contact problems. misajusted clutches can also cause 
> cancelling issues as there is a certain amount of travel required in the 
> switch stack to get a good pulse. I'm beginning to think the tech that 
> worked on this got the mech mixed up and this "continuous play" was a 
> hastly way to get it working. please let us know what you find jackie. 
> once this point is straightened out will move to the pinbank. regards, 
> justin
>
>>From: "Karl" <karlh44 at knology.net>
>>To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>>Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C...
>>
>>
>> > Jackie
>> > He's talking about the pinbank on the back of the mech......near the
>> > bottom.
>> > You'll have to bend your head down and look up under it to see the
>> > pins.......lots of wires on top.
>> >
>> > Karl
>> > Columbus Coin-Op Shop
>> > 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd
>> > Columbus, GA 31903
>> > Shop (706) 507-2963
>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie" <etreble7 at comcast.net>
>> > To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:17 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C...
>> >
>> >
>> >> Justin,
>> >> I watched the the counter and YES, the plunger works.  It fires after
> the
>> >> song.
>> >> Jackie
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin S."
>><fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:01 PM
>> >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Jackie's Seeburg C...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Jackie, trying to keep you from getting confused. dave's suggestion
> is
>> >> > right on the money except i think he's confusing your pinbank with
> one
>> >> > from a 100A (the 78RPM selectomatic). it has the pins sticking up
> with
>> > the
>> >> > contact block on top. yours along with all other pinbank 100s had 
>> >> > the
>> > pins
>> >> > facing down and the black contact block on the bottom.
>> >> >
>> >> > jackie check one thing for us. on the mech there is a selection
> playing
>> >> > indicator. above this on the 100C is a yellow metal cover (goes
> between
>> >> > the two endcaps). flip this down and you will see the play
> accumulator
>> >> > underneath. there is a pluger which is activated each time a record
> is
>> >> > cancelled that counts the number of plays for each record. when the
>> > record
>> >> > in your machine comes up to play does this plunger fire? if not then
>> >> > the
>> >> > power has been removed from the cancel circuit altogether and you
> will
>> >> > need to troubleshoot the whole circuit from the beginning to find
> where
>> > it
>> >> > has been disrupted by the previous tech. if it fires, then just the
>> > cancel
>> >> > plungers in the contact block have been disabled and your cancel
> pulse
>> >> > contacts and power to this circuit are still functioning because the
>> >> > popularity soleniod is wired in parallel with the cancel coils. In
> this
>> >> > case check that all of the wires on the contact block are connected.
>> > they
>> >> > may have just pulled off the two wire clips for the cancel coils;
> this
>> >> > would be the least "invasive" way to put the machine on continuous
>> >> > play.
>> >> > let us know how you make out. Justin
>> >> >
>
>
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