[Jukebox-list] 1958 United (Was: Done reading "The juke boxandme")

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    Jens, it is highly unusual for you to have worked on this many Aireons and not have experienced this problem.  This was the downfall of the company and many vendors that bought these beasts. Wes
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jens Hultgren" <drjukebox at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1958 United (Was: Done reading "The juke boxandme")


> True, they (Aireon and also Packard) should've put a safety switch in there
> so when for example a warped 78 jams the mech won't proceed to destroy all
> the records. I have worked on 4-5 Aireons and didn't have the problem. Once
> I managed to brake a whole rack of 78s (including some really good ones :(
> )in an AMI C in the way you described.
> 
>  Jens
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/24/06, dirksenj at bellsouth.net <dirksenj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> It's not really a timing issue (after all it's geared), but an alignment
>> issue. There are several adjustments that must be perfect. The real
>> problem
>> is after the record has played - you've got a record spinning at 78 rpm
>> bouncing around in a ring which then gets rotated 90 degrees and then the
>> arm has to shove the record back into a narrow slot in the rack. Mine
>> broke
>> a record at this moment once, and since there are no safeties, it
>> proceeded
>> to break every record in the rack on it's way to the next selection.
>> Violently. At least the Packard has that cork clutch that slips and helps
>> minimize damage.
>>
>> I once bought some parts from an old operator which included an Aireon amp
>> and credit unit. I asked what happened to the rest of the machine, and he
>> pointed to the river nearby. It ended up there after one too many service
>> calls for broken records. This was a new machine - not some old worn out
>> machine ready to be retired. He told me he was glad he only bought one.
>> Sorry, but I think the Aireon deserves the bad rap it got and the short
>> life
>> span of that company proves it.
>>
>> I did get mine to play long enough to sell it. I sometimes miss a
>> particular
>> machine after it sells, but not that one.
>>
>> Jim
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jens Hultgren" <drjukebox at gmail.com>
>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] 1958 United (Was: Done reading "The juke
>> boxandme" )
>>
>>
>> >A rack with records standing like in an AMI A. Rack moves when selection
>> is
>> > made, arm takes out record and it is placed in a ring, that lays it down
>> > on
>> > the turntable and then it is played horisontally. 24 records, plays one
>> > side
>> > only.
>> > Not much too it, but timing is critical when the  record is taken out
>> and
>> > laid down. The same problem with the Packards - if they aren't lubed and
>> > running smooth, a record will jam and then you'll have shards and chips
>> > all
>> > over the place. I have found several Manhattans with a layer of black
>> dust
>> > and chips on the bottom of the cabinet.
>> > I've heard that on the Aireons  the base plate wasn't strong enough and
>> > could sag. Never found this problem myself. Actually, never had a
>> problem
>> > with running an Aireon.
>> > When a machine gets a bad rap, it sticks.
>> >
>> >  Jens
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/24/06, David Breneman <david_breneman at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- Jens Hultgren <drjukebox at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yes absolutely - if you have ten or more machines on a route, it is
>> >> > critical
>> >> > and there are other aspects of the Aireon that must've made it very
>> >> > unattractive to operate compared to a M100A.
>> >>
>> >> What kind of mechanism did the Aireon machines have?
>> >> I've tried to find a picture of the inside of one on
>> >> the web and have come up empty.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com
>> >>
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