[Jukebox-list] A better understanding

[dirksenj at bellsouth.net]

Ron, I believe that "continuous improvement teams" are a necessary part of 
any manufacturing company. The way I see it, people are resistant to change 
(that's the way we've always done it). Over time, they get comfortable and 
relax, allowing the competition to get an edge. Then as you say, money gets 
tight and of course cost becomes the main focus. You may think those 
responsible were "cheap" in trying to eliminate a part costing less than a 
penny, but there are plenty of hidden costs associated with it, such as the 
labor and time to install it, warehouse it, inventory it, receive it, 
inspect it, and deal with the supplier. Plus if you use thousands every day 
or week, it does add up.

Wes, in today's workforce, we have a thing called random drug testing. Also, 
are you implying that the 3400 was a "classical creation"? I apologize to 
all you 3400 owners, but that model is very near the bottom of my list, 
right near the Aireon.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Rich" <ronnnrich at yahoo.com>
To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A better understanding


> Wes,
>  Perhaps you are correct. There are people within any manufacturing 
> company who always seem to want to improve the product for no other reason 
> then "improvement". However, I believe that over time this attitude 
> becomes "muddled" and those who's primary concern is cost, prevail. This 
> seems especially true when a company is not doing well. I can recall 
> arguments over a 1/8th cent clip ("production" eliminated it as 
> "unnecessary", and I considered it to be "necessary"--I won that one) and 
> over the difference in the price of a resistor (I lost this one). Ron Rich
>
> Wesley Dean <wesleydean at cox.net> wrote:
>  Ron, if the profit motive were the sole reason for the design of
> classical creations, we would all live in a sterile mundane world. There
> have always been individuals that have been inspired by a greater force.
> This is likened to a religious experience. I do not doubt that some gifted
> persons use mind altering chemicals to attain this. I have visited this 
> back
> room. All other efforts are used to bring a creation to fulfillment and 
> the
> buying public. Wes
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Rich"
> To: "Jukebox mailing list"
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] A better understanding
>
>
> Wes,
> I's shamed of you--"stirin the pot" again. The "why" in jukebox (and
> almost all other manufactured things), is COST. What happens, in my humble
> opinion, is following things--'Marketing" dictates what it will/should do,
> and fit (cabinet style/size), engineers design it, and the "production
> people" are charged with the cost of manufacturing it--It then becomes a
> "game"-engineering says to do it thisaway, marketing says do it for this
> cost, and production says that is impossible--OK, says engineering, if you
> "cut this" it will be less expensive--production says, you can also save
> time ($$$) by doing this--marketing says "will it still work?" and 
> everyone
> agrees that it will "still work"--then, if the company has a "QC" 
> dept--all
> hell brakes loose--and "stuff" is put back in because, after all, if the
> "QC" dept engineers do not find anything to "fix", why do we need that
> dept??--And then again, if the engineering dept can't come up with a
> "re-designed" widget, why do we need
> an engineering dept.?? --Also, we don't want to make it "last forever",
> 'cause, we need future sales---
> ( I have heard RUMORS that the 3400 mech was much less expensive to
> produce as compared to the 3300. Also have heard that, other then the
> motors, it was made in Germany, and assembled here--don't know if true or
> not)
> Ron Rich
>
>
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