[Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 2050 tube...steppers...

[Wesley Dean]

    Justin, I know not where my modifications were termed 'solid state'. I 
do make a solid state credit unit but that has nothing to do with my stepper 
modifications. All I do is to use a few diodes and a signal relay to 
eliminate a multitude of switches and the 2050 tube. The 2050 tube may be 
considered a single pole relay. If a double pole relay is used, all the 
switches may be eliminated from the stepping coils.
    As far as who can service my work later, the same will apply to your 
demise. At least all my work is documented for all with normal ability to 
follow. There are very few that can decipher Seeburg diagrams.
    If there is nothing wrong with the early stepper design, why did the 
Seeburg engineers change the circuit later?  There has always been trouble 
in the shifting circuit. The vibration of the stepping coils upsets the 
switch on the letter cam. The engineers went to great lengths to try to 
correct this problem. They only complicated the circuit more with the 
addition of more switches to give trouble. Your remark about a profit motive 
was uncalled for. You know nothing about my personal status.
    I consider benchwork shortcuts in the realm of novices. My work requires 
more time than conventional repair.
    There are extremes that need compromises. If you are servicing a piece 
of antiquated equipment that has a defective copper-oxide rectifier, would 
you 'shortcut' and use either a selenium or silicon replacement?
    I believe that all options need to be placed before a potential 
customer, not a dogmatic one way street that you propose. My customers are 
apprised of all the options before they opt for my modifications. The proof 
is in the pudding, so to speak.
    There is an analogy likened to the restoration of antique automobiles. 
Some will opt for a ground up restoration ala 'original' while others will 
go the whole nine yards and drop in a state of are new engine and running 
gear, with air conditioning, all power goodies and a new brake system.  In 
this case who is right?  Wes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin S." <fordfalcon63 at hotmail.com>
To: <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Seeburg 2050 tube...steppers...


> Hi Wes, your apology is unsolicited. Just treat all of the list members 
> with civility and respect. I would think they'd teach better manners in 
> the backwoods of Georgia. I still retain my opinion that such drastic 
> modifications as yours are very unnecessary when a unit is properly 
> serviced. The modifications certainly do not equate with "quality of 
> service" as you asserted. If you shortcut benchwork it will of course give 
> you trouble in the future; however, when the original units are properly 
> repaired, cleaned, and gapped; they will work for decades in a home 
> environment. What is the lifespan of most of the solid state components in 
> your modifications? Who will want to repair them when you are gone? You do 
> a disservice to the list to allow the new members of the hobby to think 
> their machines are compromised unless heavily modified. If you want 
> "modern components and design" in a juke, one should buy a new Antique 
> Apparatus 1015 unit. You and I both know that the vast majority of 
> circuitry in old jukes is rudimentary and readily replaced with solid 
> state devices. A few hours and a NTE semiconductor manual and you could 
> pencil out a circuit to eliminate most of the original mechanical 
> fuctions: stepper, credit, and selections. The real craftsmanship is 
> refurbishing the original units to like new order. With few exceptions, 
> their circuits were more than adequate for the purpose....Your final 
> comment was in regards to your subtler motives..... profit, what else? 
> Lastly, realize that most of the above is tounge-in-cheek except for the 
> request to be more respectful of others on the list, especially newcomers. 
> Your sarchasm gets less amusing as time passes...
>