[Jukebox-list] Update-Seeburg TSU5 question

Wed Sep 6 03:42:23 PDT 2006

Chris,
what is the AY?
Jackie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Manuel" <cmanuel at wi.rr.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update-Seeburg TSU5 question

> Purple?  Like the OA2s?  Just orange here.  Time to search for one in 
> town.
>
> We're getting close...thanks for the help!
>
> Oh yeah, you were right on with the contacts off.  No buzz!
>
> Hey Jackie-How about an AY?
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:23 PM
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> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Update-Seeburg TSU5 question
>
> Then your problem is electrical--check all the componnts --values, 
> voltages
> in, and around the 2050--the "purple glow" says it's "fired"--could be a 
> bad
> tube--change it first --there is no other foolproof check that I know
> of--Ron Rich
>
> Chris Manuel <cmanuel at wi.rr.com> wrote:  Actually, when I try to hold it
> down, it tries to push it up and makes a
> chattering sound.
>
> I'd like to say the mech is OK, since it worked before I recapped things
> (but only for a selection or two).
>
> When you say fired, should I see something happening on the tube? It does
> glow.
>
> This one has really given me a run for my money-I've had great success in
> the past years with my SS-160 and Q.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Update-Seeburg TSU5 question
>
> Chris,
>>From what you are saying, you could have either a mechanical or an
> electrical problem. I would watch the 2050 tube--is it staying
> fired?(another way to check is to hold the detent lever dwn with your
> finger--is it getting power?) If so, it's either a defective tube or the
> problems in the circuit for that tube. If not fired, you have a mechanical
> problem--most common is that the core stop, brass slug, has broken off in
> the trip coil. Other than that, something in the detent, or, clutch area 
> is
> hung up. Ron Rich
>
> Chris Manuel wrote:
> Well...
>
> Per everyone's suggestions,
> -I tested the R514 resistor and it seems within the tolerances.
> -I replaced the 6X4 and OA2's
> -I found a bad solder joint on one of the resistor/sap junctions I made
> earlier and redid it
> -checked the points on the add/subtract
>
> Fired it up and it played one record. ONE.
>
> It is now stuck in a continuous cycle where it picks a record up and puts 
> it
> back instantly. My chart says to check the Autospeed unit contacts, but I
> don't have one hooked up.
>
> Any thoughts where to go from here?
>
> Thanks-
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Ron Rich
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:46 PM
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> Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSU5 question
>
> Chris,
> The ASU-1, stands for "autospeed unit" and yea, if it's the tube type, it
> should not be in an AY model. If it's the TASU type, it's fine.
> The .01 at 1400 is the one across the scan control points, and is almost
> never bad. It usually breaks off at the solder joint(s). Like I said, look
> at the service manual, and adjust that unit to spec--it will stop the 
> buzz.
> Ron Rich
>
> Chris Manuel wrote:
> The album unit I was referring to was the ASU1 album speed unit which I
> have
> been warned about. I can see how that would generate a lot of heat.
>
> Yeah, buzzing is bad. It was not in this state for long. I don't want to
> hunt down a transformer.
>
> As for the RSCU, correct, I do not have this option on it. I have replaced
> all 3 in that section, the .01 1400v seems like a real oddball. I'll start
> testing the resistors.
>
> Thanks!
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 7:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Seeburg TSU5 question
>
> Chris,
> First of all, what the heck is an "album unit"? Second, the "solenoids
> buzzing" is bad. If you do not have an RCSU, I suspect that the "scan
> control solenoid" is what you are hearing--check the adjustment per the
> service manual--hint-- be sure that the .01 cap is still connected across
> the contact points. As for your selection problems, sounds like you may 
> have
> a resistor out of tolerance. Most likely suspects are the 56k 2w and or, 
> the
> one in the pulse amp that connects to the .05 cap, that you changed. Ron
> Rich
>
> Chris Manuel wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Finally getting to put together my Seeburg AY. The amp is recapped and
> sounding great, but I'm still having problems with the selector unit.
>
> I have recapped this as well-and at least I don't feel so bad that it 
> didn't
> work right away. It was only good for 1 or 2 selections before the 
> rebuild.
>
> It does the scan twice and stop. I went through the troubleshooting and 
> got
> to section "M" where you jumper A & B while scanning to make it select. It
> does, and it ejects properly too.
>
> What I have noticed is that I also hear the solenoids buzzing when it hits
> the home position. I can make this stop by pulling the J501 mechanism 
> plug.
>
> The 12AX7 on the pulse amp is fresh and known working, and the OA2's are
> also purple. I have also disconnected the album unit.
>
> I'm suspecting I have maybe a couple of problems. Any thoughts where to
> turn first?
>
> Thanks in advance-
> Chris
>
>
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