[Jukebox-list] Rockola 1438 Slug Ejector Problem
dave.halford at telent.com
dave.halford at telent.com
Thu Jan 4 08:03:12 PST 2007
All
Having watched the Email tennis I've noticed hardly anyone agrees with
anyone on why they own a juke either golden, silver, or later. I suspect
most of us just want to both play them and look at them all lit up.
If Joe Public (thats me) buys one we want to have the coin op section work
so that we feel we are getting our moneys worth 'just in case' so we shy
away from those missing a cion mech an so they go much cheaper. Then once
we've played it a while we decide free play is easiest after all.
Ex and current coin-op folk prefer everything to work, because it should
do, it's your job after all ;o)
Personally (see, I'm not immune) I fail to see the point of a brand new
1940s machine, would anyone have the Mona Lisa repainted to make it worth
more?
So live and let live, does it matter what reason as long as someone keeps
vinyl boxes working somehow & saves more from the bonfire. Thought that was
what this list was all about.
Dave H
"Wesley Dean"
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Jay, whether or not you are in the business of selling jukes does not
matter. But if do sell, you are forcing your beliefs and prejudices on your
customers.
Vintage collectible units do not fall in this category. They are
generally considered an investment and are not used for entertainment. I
doubt you will ever see a Wurlitzer 950 being used at a Saturday night
party. I agree that any piece that qualifies at a 100 point restoration
cannot be modified in any manner.
We have just about beat this poor old horse to death with no resolution
in sight. Let's call it a truce and speak no more of our differences. Wes
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From: "Jay Hennigan" <jay at west.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rockola 1438 Slug Ejector Problem
> The Jukebox Junkyard wrote:
>> Jay, from your comments about my message about performance, you are
>> inferring that for the sake of reliability I would replace the original
>> amplifier with some junk from Radio Shack. You are misconstruing
>> unconventional methods of increasing performance with 'butchering'.
>
> No, I'm just pointing out the different philosophy. Coin operation is
> an elemental part of a jukebox. Disabling it detracts from the fun of
> jukebox ownership. Would you also disable coin operation if restoring a
> vintage Coke machine? If you do so, you turn it into a common
> refrigerator.
>
>> I
>> believe performance was an ever changing evolution in the state of the
>> art. Witness the fact early juke amplifiers had no ALC, but later was
>> incorporated as standard circuitry that was accepted by all
>> manufacturers and customers.
>
> So was the ability to play compact disks, but there are limits...
>
>> I consider it a dis-service to your
>> customers not to provide all such improvements in old obsolete
>> equipment. Our customers bask in the knowledge of having a piece of
>> equipment that has no compromises for the sake of purity and
originality.
>
> I would not be pleased to find an original Wurlitzer 1015 or 1100
> amplifier modified with extra holes for tube sockets to accommodate
> aftermarket home-brewed ALC.
>
>> I daresay you have never been on a call where the coin box was
>> neglected and the compartment, money bag, coin switches and slug
>> rejector had chock full of coins and had jammed all the coin switches
>> and smoked all the add credit coins.
>
> I've dealt with burned-out credit coils, but don't consider such to be a
> very common problem. A slow-blow fuse or PTC resistor is a quick fix.
> On location, the coin box is probably the least neglected part of any
> jukebox.
>
>> I have no quarrel for originality in its place. Think museums only. I
>> believe you will find these pieces roped off and not exposed to the
>> whims of the viewing public. Wes
>
> Funny, I see coin-operated vending machines in some pretty rough outdoor
> environments a lot more often than roped off in museums. I've also
> noticed plenty of coin-operated video games and the like in rather
> non-museum-like locations. Many of them still use a variant of the same
> National rejectors found on vintage jukeboxes.
>
> I don't think that the coin and credit system is by any means more
> fragile than the rest of the working parts of any jukebox, and consider
> coin operation to be an essential part of the jukebox experience.
>
> Having the box on coin also slows down the problem of visitors punching
> dozens of selections when they aren't going to be around to listen to
> them, and helps with issues of latch bar solenoids being permanently
> energized as is often the case with simple free-play mods. (Yes, I know
> you make a box to time out the latch solenoid, but not everyone does it
> this way.)
>
> Again, for convenience, a hidden credit button is a good compromise.
>
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