[Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G

[The Jukebox Junkyard]

    Don, I never replaced the white gear with another white one. I may be 
ignorant but not stupid. Wes
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don" <dontutt at telus.net>
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G


Thanks Dean,
Kinda thought so.
Do you have a good guy to supply you with new gears or do you take them from
parted out jukes?
It seems in this case putting in a used gear of the same material is just
buying a little time til the same thing happens again.
Seems better over the long run to have a  metal replacement made.
I had good service from ArcadiaPrecisionClockwork.com in Arizona
He rebuilt two gears for me. In that case I was replacing phenolic with
brass.
Don




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wesley Dean" <wesleydean at cox.net>
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G


>    Don, the only reason I could think of was the material the gear was 
> made of was unstable as opposed to phenolic. This problem was more 
> noticeable with offset red head needles.  When replacing the gear, I had 
> also change the worm. This problem caused only flutter, no wow. Wow is 
> caused by an unstable turntable speed. Flutter is caused by vibrations at 
> specific passages of the tune. Wes
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don" <dontutt at telus.net>
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> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>
>
> Wes,
> You have me curious.
> Why would a "white" main gear cause this problem....?
> Don, the juke student
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Jukebox Junkyard" <jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:45 AM
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>
>
>>     I have seen this caused by a white main gear. Wes
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dicecco, Michael" <michael.dicecco at rbc.com>
>> To: <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:45 PM
>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've got a Seeburg G (with a C mech) that's had a problem with the sound
>> since I bought it in 1990. The problem is best described as "wow and
>> flutter". It is most noticable on sustained notes, such as a piano
>> passage, and affects all records equally. To me it clearly sounds like a
>> mechanical (as opposed to amplifier issue... the amp has been fully
>> recapped).
>>
>> I have changed the motor coupling, lubricated all moving parts, and
>> checked the motor rubber mounts (no improvement).
>>
>> I'm not certain if the turntable mounts have been changed or not. There
>> is some slight flexing of the turntable, but it is not sloppy or loose.
>>
>> The only other thing I can think of is the motor capacitor, as it is
>> original (would this cause the problem?)
>>
>> Other than this sound issue, the box works great.
>>
>> Can anyone give me some suggestions as to what might be causing this
>> warbly type sound?
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>> Mike
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