[Jukebox-list] Power & Control Wiring

Tue Jul 3 19:39:17 PDT 2007

I'm still working on a Seeburg B.  A small irritation - I can't get the
service switch to scan.  It works fine in my Seeburg C and the power control
relay in the B works fine when I use the pin bank.  What am I missing?

Peter Davio
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Today's Topics:

   1. installing Wurly stepper (etreble7)
   2. More info on stepper/wallbox (etreble7)
   3. Re: Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G (Don)
   4. RE: Lubin' a Seeburg! (Mechanical Music of S.F.)
   5. Re: RE: Lubin' a Seeburg! (JHayes2613 at aol.com)
   6. Re: Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G (The Jukebox Junkyard)
   7. Movers and jukeboxes (Ian Zapczynski)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:11:31 -0400
From: "etreble7" <etreble7 at verizon.net>
Subject: [Jukebox-list] installing Wurly stepper
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Hello,
this question is regarding hooking up the wallbox for the Wurly 2410 to the
stepper.  The terminal strip is numbered 1 2 and 3.  It does not say what
each terminal is for.  I know one of the 3 must be a ground and a positive
and a negative?  There is Schematic Wiring Diagram but none of the symbols
look like the ground (earth) symbol.  I can see that #3 terminal goes to a
3amp  - #2 goes to a round solid circle and the #1 terminal goes to a round
solid circle and continues on to .01 MFD

I know there are some of you that must be scratching your heads and grinning
at the same time.  I know it's sad but believe me when I say, I have poured
over this piece of paper and don't want to hook it up wrong.  I appreciate
any and all help!
Jackie

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:21:24 -0400
From: "etreble7" <etreble7 at verizon.net>
Subject: [Jukebox-list] More info on stepper/wallbox
To: <Jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
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Hi,
I noticed on the 2410 stepper:

The far left terminal is orange
The middle terminal is red
the far left is black

on the old stepper the hook up was #1 #3 and Ground
the wiring for that stepper (1970) is
#1 orange
#3 Black
Ground was red

Would this get hooked up the same?  as far as colored wiring?  Sorry for the
poor discriptions, many thanks
Jackie

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:24:12 -0700
From: "Don" <dontutt at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
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Hey Wes,
My question was HOW did you do that repair. Did you have someone make a 
replacement gear....?
Don

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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G

>    Don, I never replaced the white gear with another white one. I may be 
> ignorant but not stupid. Wes
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don" <dontutt at telus.net>
> To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>
>
> Thanks Dean,
> Kinda thought so.
> Do you have a good guy to supply you with new gears or do you take them 
> from
> parted out jukes?
> It seems in this case putting in a used gear of the same material is just
> buying a little time til the same thing happens again.
> Seems better over the long run to have a  metal replacement made.
> I had good service from ArcadiaPrecisionClockwork.com in Arizona
> He rebuilt two gears for me. In that case I was replacing phenolic with
> brass.
> Don
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wesley Dean" <wesleydean at cox.net>
> To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>
>
>>    Don, the only reason I could think of was the material the gear was 
>> made of was unstable as opposed to phenolic. This problem was more 
>> noticeable with offset red head needles.  When replacing the gear, I had 
>> also change the worm. This problem caused only flutter, no wow. Wow is 
>> caused by an unstable turntable speed. Flutter is caused by vibrations at

>> specific passages of the tune. Wes
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Don" <dontutt at telus.net>
>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>>
>>
>> Wes,
>> You have me curious.
>> Why would a "white" main gear cause this problem....?
>> Don, the juke student
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "The Jukebox Junkyard" <jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net>
>> To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>>
>>
>>>     I have seen this caused by a white main gear. Wes
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dicecco, Michael" <michael.dicecco at rbc.com>
>>> To: <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've got a Seeburg G (with a C mech) that's had a problem with the sound
>>> since I bought it in 1990. The problem is best described as "wow and
>>> flutter". It is most noticable on sustained notes, such as a piano
>>> passage, and affects all records equally. To me it clearly sounds like a
>>> mechanical (as opposed to amplifier issue... the amp has been fully
>>> recapped).
>>>
>>> I have changed the motor coupling, lubricated all moving parts, and
>>> checked the motor rubber mounts (no improvement).
>>>
>>> I'm not certain if the turntable mounts have been changed or not. There
>>> is some slight flexing of the turntable, but it is not sloppy or loose.
>>>
>>> The only other thing I can think of is the motor capacitor, as it is
>>> original (would this cause the problem?)
>>>
>>> Other than this sound issue, the box works great.
>>>
>>> Can anyone give me some suggestions as to what might be causing this
>>> warbly type sound?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>
>>> Mike
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:28:24 -0700
From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." <mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Lubin' a Seeburg!
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Check the bottle, J.
I think Zoom Spout has paraffin in it, a jukebox no-no we've discussed a 
hundred times.

The paraffin eventually gums up.
However, in a heavy use application, not something delicate or with a felt 
wick, it should be OK.

Kyle ~
Mechanical Music of San Francisco

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:24:37 -0400
From: JHayes2613 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Lubin' a Seeburg!
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The bottle says:

SEW-RITE
Precision Machine
OIL
Kleer-Est
The World's Finest*Purest*Cleanest
*Most Stainless Sewing Machine Oil

...and some other stuff about how great it is. The Zoom-Spout logo is at the
bottom.
Anyway, this is what my clutch worm got instead of grease.

In a message dated 7/2/2007 10:28:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mechanical
Music of S.F." <mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com> writes:

>
>Check the bottle, J.
>I think Zoom Spout has paraffin in it, a jukebox no-no we've discussed a 
>hundred times.
>
>The paraffin eventually gums up.
>However, in a heavy use application, not something delicate or with a felt 
>wick, it should be OK.
>
>
>Kyle ~
>Mechanical Music of San Francisco
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:38:55 -0400
From: "The Jukebox Junkyard" <jukeboxjunkyard at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G
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    Don,at the time we had over 800 jukes in our warehouse. It was a simple 
matter to remove a good one from a junk box. My fifty years of experience 
helped. Wes
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don" <dontutt at telus.net>
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Wow and Flutter Sound in Seeburg G

Hey Wes,
My question was HOW did you do that repair. Did you have someone make a
replacement gear....?
Don

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:48:49 -0400
From: "Ian Zapczynski" <ianzap at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Jukebox-list] Movers and jukeboxes
To: jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com
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Hello all,

I am moving within the next month and need to use professional movers to 
help us.   I feel like I read that there are some who specialize or at least

have proper experience in moving jukeboxes.   Can anyone make 
recommendations on movers in eastern Pennsylvania?    Or discuss experiences

with traditional movers and jukeboxes?   I know the ropes on how to safely 
move my boxes, and wonder if I couldn't just articulate to "regular" movers 
how not to damage my equipment.   Aside from three jukeboxes, I have quite a

lot of stuff in my home that needs to be moved as well, so it would be great

to hire the same crew for everything.

Thoughts?

-Ian

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