[Jukebox-list] RE: AMI Carriage junction box RR relay arcing

[Sue and Dennis Lavin]

HI Aaron, is there supposed to be a small cap across the contacts ?  I still 
have my F80  and G80, no problems like that (yet) !

Dennis Lavin (Jukeboxdenny)
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>   1. RE: 45's cheap (Mechanical Music of S.F.)
>   2. Re:  45's cheap (Ian Zapczynski)
>   3. RE: Plastic cover needed for Rowe search unit (Ian Zapczynski)
>   4. Do I want to buy a Seeburg V? (JHayes2613 at aol.com)
>   5. Re: Do I want to buy a Seeburg V? (dirksenj at bellsouth.net)
>   6. Inside front lower door AMI-JBM (Jurjen Tjalsma)
>   7. Re: RE: Plastic cover needed for Rowe search unit (Ron Rich)
>   8. Re: Do I want to buy a Seeburg V? (Jjmscf at aol.com)
>   9. Denon DL-102 Moving Coil Mono Cartridge/GE Replacement
>      (Mechanical Music of S.F.)
>  10. Re: Denon DL-102 Moving Coil Mono Cartridge/GE Replacement
>      (Ron Rich)
>  11. Re: Denon DL-102 Moving Coil Mono Cartridge/GE Replacement
>      (David Breneman)
>  12. AMI Carriage junction box RR relay arcing (Aaron Heverin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:09:46 -0800
> From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." <mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: 45's cheap
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> What I detest most about that seller is that the B side and in this case,
> the other 3-5 tracks, are never listed.
> Sometimes I like to pick up imports of stuff with different B sides, etc.
> You'd think someone selling records would know this.
>
> It's probably a rare Little LP (says 33 rpm), but not gonna fetch 8 grand.
> Not even a photo.
>
> Kyle ~
> Mechanical Music of San Francisco
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> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:23:02 -0500
> From: "Ian Zapczynski" <ianzap at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re:  45's cheap
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> Yeah, one thing that Craig Moerer isn't is cheap.   He has some rare 
> items,
> but with prices like that, he's going to be keeping them for quite a 
> while.
>
>
>>Anyone looking for a cheap Elvis 45 for their jukebox?
>>Check out this e-bay item #4842123018
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:31:51 -0500
> From: "Ian Zapczynski" <ianzap at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] RE: Plastic cover needed for Rowe search unit
> To: jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com
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> I think I'm with Kyle on this now.   I appreciate everyone's thoughts and
> the offers I received, but since I need to save my pennies for a while, 
> I'll
> live without the cover for now.   If it drives me crazy to know that it's
> missing down the road, it sounds like someone will still have one around.
>
> Thankfully a kind list member has saved me by offering up a copy of the
> cabinet key that was destroyed as well.   I had left the lid up for a few
> days since I now have no key to get in the box, and I made sure to tell
> everyone in the house NOT to close it.   Of course, I came home last night
> and the first thing I saw was that the lid had been closed.  No one wanted
> to fess up to it either.
>
> I think my wife and kids wonder why I have such love for my jukeboxes.  I
> say the answer's simple -- assuming you put some effort into it, you put 
> in
> a quarter, press a couple of buttons and it plays a song.   More
> specifically, it does what you ask it to.   Which is more than I can say 
> for
> my teenagers.  :)
>
> -Ian
>
>
>>Don,
>>Hardly worth the effort.  It's really not important.
>>Face it, these 45 jukes are never going into smoky bars/pubs again. :-)
>>
>>Kyle ~
>>Mechanical Music of San Francisco
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>>I wonder if you could make a mould and cast your own cover using a 2-part
>>epoxy?
>>Don
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> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:09:35 -0500
> From: JHayes2613 at aol.com
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Do I want to buy a Seeburg V?
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> Haven't seen it yet but the guy says it's working and wants $1300. I've 
> asked for pics. I'd probably have to sell off my SS-160 to help raise the 
> bucks.
> -j
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:22:41 -0500
> From: <dirksenj at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Do I want to buy a Seeburg V?
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> Yes, you do. Better get it now before it's gone.
>
> Jim
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> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Do I want to buy a Seeburg V?
>
>
>> Haven't seen it yet but the guy says it's working and wants $1300. I've
>> asked for pics. I'd probably have to sell off my SS-160 to help raise the
>> bucks.
>> -j
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:23:32 +0100
> From: Jurjen Tjalsma <jtjalsma at home.nl>
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Inside front lower door AMI-JBM
> To: Jukebox kijst <Jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
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> Hi all,
>
> working on a AMI-JBM I noticed, seeing the pictures in the manual, that
> the diffusers are missing. Part number 300-05551 Short diffuser.
> Unfortunately the manual doesn't say of which material they are made of.
> Is it clear plastic, as used in the plastics to lite the lower parts of
> the front, or is it white plastic, as used in the area with the red
> stars to lite the area around the red stars? Can anyone tell me the
> dimensions of these pieces? A picture of the inside of the door would be
> very nice... Thanks in advance,
>
> Jurjen Tjalsma, Netherlands
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:38:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ron Rich <ronnnrich at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] RE: Plastic cover needed for Rowe search
> unit
> To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
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> Ian,
>  Service keys are available for most all jukebox lid locks--Ron Rich
>
> Ian Zapczynski <ianzap at hotmail.com> wrote:
>  I think I'm with Kyle on this now. I appreciate everyone's thoughts and
> the offers I received, but since I need to save my pennies for a while, 
> I'll
> live without the cover for now. If it drives me crazy to know that it's
> missing down the road, it sounds like someone will still have one around.
>
> Thankfully a kind list member has saved me by offering up a copy of the
> cabinet key that was destroyed as well. I had left the lid up for a few
> days since I now have no key to get in the box, and I made sure to tell
> everyone in the house NOT to close it. Of course, I came home last night
> and the first thing I saw was that the lid had been closed. No one wanted
> to fess up to it either.
>
> I think my wife and kids wonder why I have such love for my jukeboxes. I
> say the answer's simple -- assuming you put some effort into it, you put 
> in
> a quarter, press a couple of buttons and it plays a song. More
> specifically, it does what you ask it to. Which is more than I can say for
> my teenagers. :)
>
> -Ian
>
>
>>Don,
>>Hardly worth the effort. It's really not important.
>>Face it, these 45 jukes are never going into smoky bars/pubs again. :-)
>>
>>Kyle ~
>>Mechanical Music of San Francisco
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>I wonder if you could make a mould and cast your own cover using a 2-part
>>epoxy?
>>Don
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:46:20 EST
> From: Jjmscf at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Do I want to buy a Seeburg V?
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> In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:24:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dirksenj at bellsouth.net writes:
>
>>Yes, you do. Better get it now before it's gone.
>
> Where is this V? I'd be all over a V for that price. Especially a working
> one.The title drum assy is worth more than his asking price alone.
>
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> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:38:35 -0800
> From: "Mechanical Music of S.F." <mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] Denon DL-102 Moving Coil Mono Cartridge/GE
> Replacement
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> I found this incredible gem.
> This is a replacement for the early GE cartridges in the AMI F, G, 
> possibly
> other models.
>
> It has a modern, ultra compliant stylus suspension.
> Price is $250 on this sute, but might be well worth it.
>
> I'm looking into if it has a replaceable stylus.  In the photo, ot looks
> like a permenant one. That would seem unrealistic, but hi fi (psycho) nuts
> often pay $1000-$3500 for a cartridge they replace every 18 months.
>
> http://www.needledoctor.com/Denon-DL-102-High-Output-Moving-Coil-Mono-Cartridge?sc=2&category=269
>
> Google DENON DL-102
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DenonMonoPage.htm
> I'll do some more research.
>
> Kyle ~
> Mechanical Music of San Francisco
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:58:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ron Rich <ronnnrich at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Denon DL-102 Moving Coil Mono Cartridge/GE
> Replacement
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> Kyle,
>  Verrrry interesting--thanks for the post.
>  Ron Rich
>
> "Mechanical Music of S.F." <mechanicalmusic at hotmail.com> wrote:
>  I found this incredible gem.
> This is a replacement for the early GE cartridges in the AMI F, G, 
> possibly
> other models.
>
> It has a modern, ultra compliant stylus suspension.
> Price is $250 on this sute, but might be well worth it.
>
> I'm looking into if it has a replaceable stylus. In the photo, ot looks
> like a permenant one. That would seem unrealistic, but hi fi (psycho) nuts
> often pay $1000-$3500 for a cartridge they replace every 18 months.
>
> http://www.needledoctor.com/Denon-DL-102-High-Output-Moving-Coil-Mono-Cartridge?sc=2&category=269
>
> Google DENON DL-102
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/murraya/DenonMonoPage.htm
> I'll do some more research.
>
> Kyle ~
> Mechanical Music of San Francisco
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> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:38:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Breneman <david_breneman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Denon DL-102 Moving Coil Mono Cartridge/GE
> Replacement
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> --- Ron Rich <ronnnrich at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Kyle,
>>   Verrrry interesting--thanks for the post.
>
> Yes, I wonder if it clears the tonearm posts.
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:44:14 GMT
> From: "Aaron Heverin" <aaron at vertasource.com>
> Subject: [Jukebox-list] AMI Carriage junction box RR relay arcing
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> Hi all.
> I'd like to put this out there on behalf of Joey because of a problem he's 
> having with his AMI F...and for the exact same problem I'm having with MY 
> G-120. While I'm not sure it's an actual issue that would cause a meltdown 
> of the jukebox, it's an annoyance just the same. What happens is that the 
> RR relay on the carriage junction box arcs every time the mech comes to 
> rest and the relay opens and cuts the power to the mech. I had this 
> problem on my G, and every time the arc would happen, the 8/10 fuse would 
> blow. So after testing the relay...and making sure that all of the switch 
> contacts on the relay were polished, I tried it again. Relay opens, pops 
> the fuse. I was having the exact same problems with Joey's F...and when I 
> went back to look at my notes, I found that quite a few of the Fs and Gs I 
> restored had the same problem - plus or minus intensity of the arc per 
> machine. On Joey's F, the arc was quite bright and powerful. It didn't 
> seem to hurt the mech at all or hinder o
> peration...it just opened and popped the fuse.
>
> On my G, I had put in a 1 amp fuse and that seemed to solve the problem 
> for a while, but every once in a while - in a way that was not in any kind 
> of pattern to try and troubleshoot - the arc would be bad enough to pop 
> the fuse. So I put in a 2 amp fuse. Now before any of you tune me out and 
> start yelling :) -  let me point out that I went through every ounce of 
> the mech and carriage junction box to make sure that when the arc occured 
> that something wasn't getting shorted out - and thus by putting in a 
> larger fuse, I wasn't going to be causing any damamge to the mech or the 
> main junction box. I assumed that since the arc was causing the fuse to 
> blow - and not a dead short - that the 2 amp fuse would take up the 
> relay's bang, but still pop if a REAL short occurred. Perhaps my thinking 
> was wrong...and that's why I'm posting this question.
>
> Any idea why that relay would be arcing so roughly? I've always seen some 
> type of arcing in ALL of the relays in those jukeboxes....even in the 
> credit unit. What I'm wondering is if the arc is occuring because there's 
> too much current being pulled from some place. The only thing I can think 
> of is the carriage motor since that's connected to the RR relay. But on 
> both Joey's F and my G, the motor doesn't show any signs of being under a 
> heavy load nor does it seem to be struggling to move the gripper arm.
>
> Like I said...this is more of an annoyance rather than anything else...but 
> I'm curious because I'd like to not have an arc at all.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Aaron Heverin
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