[Jukebox-list] cashboxes?

[dirksenj at bellsouth.net]

John - when I first saw that Master photo years ago, I thought the image had 
been reversed when the book was printed (because the cashbox was on the 
left). But I realized the coin entry was still on the right side, so the 
image must be correct. I still think there is something "non-standard" about 
that machine. Both my Masters and both my Supers I've owned have triple slug 
ejectors as you say, with rejected coins falling into a cup at the bottom 
right of the center grill. But also under the ejectors is a chute which 
drops and curves to the right and leads to a butterfly switch assembly. 
After coins hit the switches, they fall directly into a cashbox which opens 
on the outside of the cabinet on the right side. It makes perfect sense to 
have the cashbox on the same side as the entries, and I can think of no 
other reason to direct coins all the way to the left side.

I remember having a conversation with a collector years ago about this 
photo, and he told me about the dual cashbox. I also remember reading some 
literature about it, but I can't remember whose it was (I don't have it). 
I'll certainly look into it.

In the meantime, have a look at ebay item 330184319421 (Wurlitzer 600). You 
will see a Master just to the right of the 600, with no cashbox on the left 
side. I've never seen another Master or a photo of one like the machine 
pictured in JBSN. BTW, I made a boo-boo in my previous post - the machine is 
identified wrongly as a Super in the book.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Robertson" <pinball at telus.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] cashboxes?


> Ron Rich wrote:
>> Jim,
>>   Thankx--that partly confirms the stories that I heard. I have heard 
>> that the number of "diverted" coins was "adjustable". I just have no idea 
>> how this was accomplished. I have also heard that some operators used 
>> this as some sort of "scam"--jipping the location out of their share--I 
>> have no idea if that's true or false--Ron Rich
>>
>> dirksenj at bellsouth.net wrote:
>>   Hi Ron - while I'm not on par with Wes and Charlie, I am familiar with 
>> Rock-olas, mainly because as a young collector (with little play money), 
>> I had to "settle" for a 1940 Super instead of the Wurlitzer 750 I so 
>> badly wanted. Same reason I got a 1448 instead of a V200. But anyway, 
>> I've seen some literature on this setup - the coin system would divert 
>> every other nickel (that may have been adjustable to every third, fourth, 
>> or fifth - I just don't know) to a seperate cashbox for the location 
>> owner. There is a photo in 'Jukebox Saturday Night' on page 59 showing 
>> such a set-up - you can see the location owner's cashbox way over on the 
>> left of the machine. Notice the photo caption is wrong - this is a Master 
>> model instead of a '39 Deluxe. I can't imagine this option being very 
>> popular with operators.
>>
>> Jim Dirksen
>>
> If there is literature to support this I would be happy to host it on 
> flippers in the jukebox section!
>
> The "diverter" on the coin acceptor was designed to count alternating 
> nickles as a dime. 2 X 5c = 10c. This came in when the 10c play started to 
> become popular and enabled the reduction in the number of coils in the 
> coin acceptor. Plus the play meter would show the correct number of plays 
> if a dime was the minimum credit per play.
>
> The Rockola shown in the picture in JBSN is a standard machine that used 
> three separate coin mechanisms to count the value of the coins and they 
> would then roll down sideways (in a tube) to the cashbox on the left side. 
> However most early (up to 1948) machines had the cashbox inside the 
> machine and you would access it from the front door.
>
> I have never seen nor heard of a 'dual cashbox' in my thirty-odd years of 
> jukebox work. If an operator wanted to cheat a location it was far easier 
> to simply disable the coin meter (if there was one) or pocket some coin 
> before counting it.
>
> John :-#)#
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:20 AM
>> Subject: [Jukebox-list] cashboxes?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> There is an ad in AJ that speaks of the "rare dual cashbox" in a 1939 
>>> RockOla. I have never seen that arrangement, and wonder if anyone else 
>>> has seen it and can explain how it was supposed to work. I have heard 
>>> some "stories" about that--but never "first hand" stories. Sure miss 
>>> Wes, and Charlie--bet one of them could have answered this--- Ron Rich
>>>
>
>
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