[Jukebox-list] cashboxes?

Thu Nov 8 01:23:30 PST 2007

Hi

I don't have access to AJ here - would be interesting to see that ad. Never
thought Rockola would have made such an innovation - David C. was a copycat,
not a forerunner!

The 1940 Master in JBSN (the first and still the best book written about
jukeboxes AFAIK, an amazing accomplishment by John Krivine) indeed has a
cashbox on the left side, good observation.

There was one jukebox that had a dual cashbox system, and that was Gabel's
KURO. Even more sophisticated than what you describe, it had a mechanical
brain that would let the operator set a percentage and the coins would be
divided between two cashboxes. There were two cashbox doors and location
owner had the key to his and the operator to the other. Amazing for it's
time.
This is also described in JBSN, look at the picture on page 103.

  best, Jens

On 11/8/07, dirksenj at bellsouth.net <dirksenj at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> John - when I first saw that Master photo years ago, I thought the image
> had
> been reversed when the book was printed (because the cashbox was on the
> left). But I realized the coin entry was still on the right side, so the
> image must be correct. I still think there is something "non-standard"
> about
> that machine. Both my Masters and both my Supers I've owned have triple
> slug
> ejectors as you say, with rejected coins falling into a cup at the bottom
> right of the center grill. But also under the ejectors is a chute which
> drops and curves to the right and leads to a butterfly switch assembly.
> After coins hit the switches, they fall directly into a cashbox which
> opens
> on the outside of the cabinet on the right side. It makes perfect sense to
> have the cashbox on the same side as the entries, and I can think of no
> other reason to direct coins all the way to the left side.
>
> I remember having a conversation with a collector years ago about this
> photo, and he told me about the dual cashbox. I also remember reading some
> literature about it, but I can't remember whose it was (I don't have it).
> I'll certainly look into it.
>
> In the meantime, have a look at ebay item 330184319421 (Wurlitzer 600).
> You
> will see a Master just to the right of the 600, with no cashbox on the
> left
> side. I've never seen another Master or a photo of one like the machine
> pictured in JBSN. BTW, I made a boo-boo in my previous post - the machine
> is
> identified wrongly as a Super in the book.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Robertson" <pinball at telus.net>
> To: "Jukebox mailing list" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] cashboxes?
>
>
> > Ron Rich wrote:
> >> Jim,
> >>   Thankx--that partly confirms the stories that I heard. I have heard
> >> that the number of "diverted" coins was "adjustable". I just have no
> idea
> >> how this was accomplished. I have also heard that some operators used
> >> this as some sort of "scam"--jipping the location out of their share--I
> >> have no idea if that's true or false--Ron Rich
> >>
> >> dirksenj at bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>   Hi Ron - while I'm not on par with Wes and Charlie, I am familiar
> with
> >> Rock-olas, mainly because as a young collector (with little play
> money),
> >> I had to "settle" for a 1940 Super instead of the Wurlitzer 750 I so
> >> badly wanted. Same reason I got a 1448 instead of a V200. But anyway,
> >> I've seen some literature on this setup - the coin system would divert
> >> every other nickel (that may have been adjustable to every third,
> fourth,
> >> or fifth - I just don't know) to a seperate cashbox for the location
> >> owner. There is a photo in 'Jukebox Saturday Night' on page 59 showing
> >> such a set-up - you can see the location owner's cashbox way over on
> the
> >> left of the machine. Notice the photo caption is wrong - this is a
> Master
> >> model instead of a '39 Deluxe. I can't imagine this option being very
> >> popular with operators.
> >>
> >> Jim Dirksen
> >>
> > If there is literature to support this I would be happy to host it on
> > flippers in the jukebox section!
> >
> > The "diverter" on the coin acceptor was designed to count alternating
> > nickles as a dime. 2 X 5c = 10c. This came in when the 10c play started
> to
> > become popular and enabled the reduction in the number of coils in the
> > coin acceptor. Plus the play meter would show the correct number of
> plays
> > if a dime was the minimum credit per play.
> >
> > The Rockola shown in the picture in JBSN is a standard machine that used
> > three separate coin mechanisms to count the value of the coins and they
> > would then roll down sideways (in a tube) to the cashbox on the left
> side.
> > However most early (up to 1948) machines had the cashbox inside the
> > machine and you would access it from the front door.
> >
> > I have never seen nor heard of a 'dual cashbox' in my thirty-odd years
> of
> > jukebox work. If an operator wanted to cheat a location it was far
> easier
> > to simply disable the coin meter (if there was one) or pocket some coin
> > before counting it.
> >
> > John :-#)#
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ron Rich" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:20 AM
> >> Subject: [Jukebox-list] cashboxes?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> There is an ad in AJ that speaks of the "rare dual cashbox" in a 1939
> >>> RockOla. I have never seen that arrangement, and wonder if anyone else
> >>> has seen it and can explain how it was supposed to work. I have heard
> >>> some "stories" about that--but never "first hand" stories. Sure miss
> >>> Wes, and Charlie--bet one of them could have answered this--- Ron Rich
> >>>
> >
> >
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