[Jukebox-list] Re: How to clean those records?/ Styrene

Tue Oct 2 08:15:23 PDT 2007

Mike,
if you are going to write a book you better get busy!  Seems there are so 
many of us that would like to purchase/read it.  I enjoy personal accounts 
of the industry over very technical layouts.  I suppose you can incorporate 
the two for fun reading!

Thanks for the encouragement on the Trashcan.  I think I post the info for 
myself mostly, it helps me keep track of everything I am doing/learning 
about each day.  I have a wonderful Juke Tech that is within traveling 
distance (although it's a bit of a hike) who among others on this list, 
encourage me to open the thing up and explore and start tinkering.  I am 
sure I am in the wrong business, I could just work on these Jukes all day 
long and have to check myself when I get annoyed about having to quit to do 
other things, LOL, I guess you just never know what you want to be "when you 
grow up", mine keeps changing.
Jackie
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From: "Dicecco, Michael" <michael.dicecco at rbc.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: How to clean those records?/ Styrene

Thanks Jackie. I belong to the Cdn Antique Phonograph Society, and at one of 
their meetings I did a presentation on how records were made. I have several 
stampers, mothers, acetates, blank labels, photos and other things that I 
kept from my first full time job. Someday I'll have to write a full article 
about the whole record manufacturing process.

There's a really interesting video available on e-Bay showing how 78's were 
made in 1942 at RCA. Many vendors are selling it, and I highly recommend it.

Jackie, keep the stories coming about your Trashcan. It's great to hear it's 
rebirth!

Mike

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Sent: 2007, October, 02 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Re: How to clean those records?/ Styrene

Mike,
that's interesting information about the records, vinyl vs. styrene.  I love 
having some of the history of the jukes and record industry.  Thanks, Jackie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dicecco, Michael" <michael.dicecco at rbc.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] Re: How to clean those records?/ Styrene

Kyle, I can confirm that : in Canada we never had styrene records, they
were always vinyl(unless they were "oldies" imported from the USA!).
Usually the major labels CBS, WEA, EMI RCA etc pressed for the smaller
USA companies. Due to their size, they usually had state of the art
pressing plants, and fairly good quality control. Recall too that the
market in Canada is much smaller than in the USA, so the stampers were
not required to press as many copies (and therefore worn out stampers
were often not the case).

I worked at an independent record pressing company in 1979. We would get
skids back of defective records : warped, off centre, scratched,
etc.(the stores would return them for a credit). They had a machine in
which we'd put the damaged record, and it would punch out the centre
lable (whice was discarded). The remainder of the record was then ground
up, and kept in a large tub. Later when new records were being pressed,
a combination of recycled vinyl and "virgin" vinyl was used. I believe
the ratio was 50/50.
The same mix of new to old vinyl was used for what ever was being
pressed: be they 45's or LP's. The LP's got no higher quality vinyl.

Back to styrene records: just listening to the people on this site, its
obvious that most of us know of the very poor quality of this material.
I'd rather pay a few pennies more for a better pressing made of vinyl,
but unfortunately the manufacturers seem intent on making them as
cheaply as possible today.

Mike

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[mailto:jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Mechanical
Music of S.F.
Sent: 2007, October, 01 5:51 PM
To: jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com
Subject: [Jukebox-list] Re: How to clean those records? ELO record

"Heart of Glass" did see USA vinyl release, and you're right, the
plastic copies are always bad.  I had a minty one that after 3 plays on
my good equipment had audible noise.  I think it was originally cut
improperly.
Thought I was the only one to ever notice!

If you like vinyl titles from this era, search Canadian eBay. Pretty
much all of their 45 records were vinyl.

Kyle ~
Mechanical Music of San Francisco
------------------------
Sorry. He's auctioned off records before but never do I remember him
listing 200 batches at once.I have to limit myself on what I bid on and
if they go too high I won't bother to snipe them.I like getting records
cheap myself.After all these are used records he's selling.The vinyl
ones will be ok but I'm kinda worried about the styrene ones having done
jukebox duty and getting played to death.I'm watching the Blondie ones
but I really don't know what playing condition they are in.I've never
found a playable used copy of "Rapture" and "Heart of Glass" is usually
noisy. I wonder if "Rapture"is  available on a new vinyl oldies 45.

 Maybe Ron is better off buying the one record new. I think the label
ELO one used styrene.

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