[Jukebox-list] rowe jao-200 banstand help please

[Rick Force]

thanks Nigel,
i'll look into that relay plug (I regapeed, cleaned and loosened the tension 
spring alittle, that did help some. Thank you, Rick.


>From: "Nigel Pugh" <pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk>
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>To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
>Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rowe jao-200 banstand help please
>Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:17:32 +0100
>
>Hi Rick,
>
>Sounds like youre getting there nicely.
>
>The comb connector is the large white nylon one that sits down the side of
>the search unit. It is selection based only, but can be a right pain if the
>copnnectios are poor.
>As for the relay at the bottom of the frame, I had real problems on my
>Tropicana (JBM) this year, and Ive had it 20 years+ and used daily. Turned
>out to be a poor connection on the nylon plug/socket that sits on the relay
>mounting. It gave exactly the same pin hopping problem as you. I had
>eliminated everywhere else. The connections were not damaged or tarnished,
>and did not seem loose. However, one by one I removed the pin from the plug
>and cleaned/opened it up a bit. One cable (think it was a gray one) was 
>done
>and all has been perfect since. I had plenty of spares so managed over a
>period of time to eliminate it. So even if this connector looks fine,
>tighten the connections.
>Also - capacitor / resistors across the relay itself. Maybe they need
>changing ?
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Regards
>
>Nigel
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Rick Force
>Sent: 07 April 2008 08:59
>To: jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com
>Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rowe jao-200 banstand help please
>
>Hi Nigel/list,
>1. I made some progress. Fixed the credit cancel...it was the bonus relay
>(not present) sw was in the yes position instead of no. Now it works.
>
>2. I have no idea what a comb connector is, but I reseated the molex
>connectors. I did recheck the wipers, they were ok, but the pin pusher arm
>was 180 degrees out, so now it selects the correct records, but the inside
>row solenoid doesn't always work.
>
>3.As for the pin hopping, I reseated the connectors and opened the relay
>area (lower left side of frame) and noticed that when the unit won't stop,
>the relay tries to pull in, but doesn't make it (especially while 
>scanning).
>
>It works better when mag magazine is at rest. I checked for detent linkage
>binding, but it seems ok. I'll still have to check that sw and thw 2
>stopping sws with a meter, but they are hard to get to without disassembly
>(again, doh!). It looks as though the relay is either bad, or not enough
>power going to it at times?
>Any way, that's where I am with this. Thank you all for your help, Rick.
>
>
>
> >From: "Nigel Pugh" <pughn at npsyssoft.force9.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: Jukebox mailing list <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> >To: "'Jukebox mailing list'" <jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Jukebox-list] rowe jao-200 banstand help please
> >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:19:41 +0100
> >
> >1) Coins register properly (but credits don't cancel out upon selection)
> >Problem is likely to be either poor connection across sprag wheel 
>contacts
> >in the search unit, poor comb connector connections on search unit, or 
>lack
> >of lubrication of the credit cancel solenoid on the credit unit.
> >Look down the top of the credit unit when making a selection. Do you see
> >any
> >movement when the buttons release ? If yes, then its probably needs some
> >lubrication.
> >Also check that the credit unit wiper actually goes back to no selections
> >i.e. off the last segment on the circuit board. A previous owner may have
> >set in on permanent free play by adjusting the position of the wiper.
> >
> >
> >2) Wrong selections - timing on search unit wipers out, and/or bad comb
> >connector connections.
> >
> >3) Pin hopping - stop switches / poor wiper contact behind the stopping
> >switch assembly / poor connector where main power relay is - bottom front
> >left of mech - white nylon plug and socket. Clean and tighten contacts.
> >Also
> >possibility of main detent solenoid being lazy due to being gummed up and
> >lack of use - clean and free off.(This is under the mech - it is 
>energised
> >when the machine is scanning and is pulled back in by a spring.It 
>probably
> >explains why you can get it to stop at a pin when doing it by hand when 
>the
> >carousel is not moving)
> >
> >These Rowes are a bugger for bad connections - you have 3 totally 
>separate
> >problems above. Keep persevering - you will get there. They can be damn
> >frustrating though. Try to crack one problem at a time.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Nigel, UK
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com
> >[mailto:jukebox-list-bounces at lists.netlojix.com] On Behalf Of Rick Force
> >Sent: 02 April 2008 03:55
> >To: jukebox-list at lists.netlojix.com
> >Subject: [Jukebox-list] rowe jao-200 banstand help please
> >
> >Hi all,
> >I have been trying to get this juke (1100 record changer) to select
> >properly
> >
> >but can't, even after following the complete selection service manual.
> >Here's what's going on:
> >Coins register properly (but credits don't cancel out apon selection),
> >buttons latch and then start the search unit ans release as they should.
> >Then, if side one (a left side) is selected, it punches the correct pins.
> >But if side 2 (right side) is selected, it is way off. Then, the magazine
> >will rotate but hop over the selected pins (no matter which side is
> >selected) and stop after a complete rotation (like it should). Now,
> >sometimes (while the magazine is at rest), if I push one of the stop sw
> >feelers, it will pick up that selection (got it to do that several 
>times),
> >but not while the magazine is rotating looking for the pins. Several 
>years
> >ago, I replaced all of the cam sws and the 2 stopping sws, so what's 
>left?
> >While I had the search unit apart this time, I cleaned the very back slip
> >rings and feelers and cleaned both sides of the search unit board and 
>wiper
> >feelers, no affect. Now, maybe those stop sws are bad again? I do hear a
> >slight buzzing sound when I activate one of the stopping sws (when it 
>won't
> >pick up), but haven't found out where its coming from and how its related
> >to
> >
> >that stop circuit. Thank you for any help on this, Rick.
> >
> >
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