[Jukebox-list] Seeburg 222 purchase

[Jjmscf at aol.com]

I've heard about everything Jay mentioned but I don't have problems with the 
sound of my 222 amp.
 
One caveat is 222s only have the 2 12" woofers in them and were intended to 
use the wall speakers for stereo separation so running alone they will be 
lacking in highs compared to  some other jukeboxes.They still sound better than an 
LPC1 which does have 2 more speakers than the 222 but uses the 1st 
transistorized amp.The LPC1 just doesn't have the thump that a tube amp does and the 
sound seems muddier.
 
And some of the aftermarket needles(which is basically all that's available 
now for the stereo cartridge in that juke) have lower output and it won't sound 
as good.
 
J.C.
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2008 11:37:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay at west.net 
writes:

>> Hi there Jay,
>> 
>> Is this the amp that sometimes gets swapped out for a solid state amp?
>> Why is this?  Cost to rebuild?  Bad design?  Poor sound quality?

>Probably some or all of the above.  The stereo amplifiers were more 
>complex than the monaural ones and somewhat cramped inside, transistor 
>front-end scared away some of the service people, or after the boxes 
>fell into private hands inexpensive transistorized amplifiers were 
>available and private collectors didn't want to deal with the tube 
>amplifiers.  They typically weren't "swapped", the old amplifier was 
>left on the back door and a transistor amp placed loose on the floor of 
>the cabinet.

>Personally, I don't have much issue with the 220/222 amplifiers.  They 
>do sound good when properly rebuilt.  I've done several of them.

>> I see that the 6973 tubes are now available form Electroharmonix at a 
>> cost of
>> about $15 ea.  There was a discussion on the list a while ago about the 
>> cost of tubes. I didn't
>> have interest in a model 222 at the time so some of the discussion was 
>> over my head.

>There really was never a true sub for the 6973 and the pricing for real 
>NOS 6973s got to the $40 to $50 level.  I haven't personally used any of 
>the EH tubes but would think they're of good quality if similar to EH's 
>other offerings.





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