[Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 445 does not remove the record

Thu Mar 6 10:49:21 PST 2008

Karl,
  On guys like that, I'd like to find a product better at "gumming up the works", however "WD" usually works just fine.  
  I did not mention it, as you were talking about the Rowe CD gripper assembly, but, in my opinion, you are correct--metal to metal always needs lubrication--metal to "plastic",may need lubrication--"Plastic" to "Plastic", almost never.
  I think that the "marketing depts." of WurliTzer, Rock-ola, and Rowe were responsible for the lackof a good "lubrication guide". They all must have seen the guide published by Seeburg, and said (to themselves?), let's not do it and point out that our JB needs less maintinance then Seeburg's. Rowe went so far as to claim that they only needed oil, "every 5 years".  I have seen a lot of "locked-up" transfer and scan motors on less then 5 year old Rowe JB's. I have also seen a lot of older Rowe motors with worn-out bearings.
  One other thing about "droping the CD's ----all over the cabinet bottom". On the RoweAMi's equipped with a CDM-3, the CD clamp arm sometimes will touch the CD as it's being returned to the basket. This causes the CD to either fall out of the gripper, or to be mis-aligned with the basket. There are two "cures" for this problem. One is for your "friend" that  started this chain of thought. Just "bend" the aluminum clamp arm out of the way (this will last for a while, depending on how much you bend it!). The second correct way, is to remove the clamp arm and the "steel" acuator arm. Use a vice to hold the steel portion, and "reform" it, very slightly (it won't "bend" back !). Use caution so that you don't destroy the spring. Ron Rich

  karlh44 <karlh44 at knology.net> wrote:
  Ron,
Oh I agree that they're supposed to be dry (Rowe gripper bow assy). I should 
have made a distinction between lubed and cleaned. I sorta consider gummed 
up as the same problem whether it's from old grease/oil or from 
nicotine/dust/etc. The only real difference is whether you lube it or not 
after you clean it. Over the years I have noticed that although it's not set 
in concrete, in absence of an accurate lube chart, a good rule of thumb is 
that modern equipment requires lubrication at points of metal on metal or 
metal on plastic (I use the word plastic loosely meaning synthetics of 
various kinds) moving contact points. Wherever the manufacturer has opted 
for plastic on plastic, usually the parts are slick enough that no lube is 
required and adding it just invites troublesome buildup. I've gotten by in a 
hurry in a customer's busy location with customers ready to drink elsewhere 
because of an out of order jukebox by a shot of WD40 but I followed it up by 
disassembly and cleaning, leaving it dry the next day. Once though, a 
customer decided he'd paid me enough for my 11pm call and figured I was 
trying to gouge him suggesting a proper repair later. To the best of my 
knowledge, that shot of WD40 and a little working back and forth is still 
holding up for him and it's been over a year. Kinda pisses me off because 
I'm sure by now he's convinced I was yanking him around. He's the kinda guy 
who will try to fix future problems with a shot of WD40 and make things 
worse, so it'll come out in the wash. He'll shoot WD40 on the player. I 
can't wait......hehehe.

Karl
Columbus Coin-Op Shop
2061 S. Lumpkin Rd.
Columbus, GA 31903
(706)507-2963
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Rich" 
To: "Jukebox mailing list" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 445 does not remove the record

> Karl,
> You do not want to fix the RoweAMi by oiling it. They should be clean and 
> dry ! Ron Rich
>
> karlh44 wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I've had quite a few Rockolas do this same thing and it was always a lube
> issue, quite easy to resolve. I've even had it happen on Rowe CD jukes and
> in their case, the symptom would be cd's laying all over the bottom of the
> cabinet as if there had been an earthquake.
>
> Karl
> Columbus Coin-Op Shop
> 2061 S. Lumpkin Rd.
> Columbus, GA 31903
> (706)507-2963
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Rich"
> To: "Jukebox mailing list"
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Jukebox-list] Rock-Ola 445 does not remove the record
>
>
>> Klaus, and Gary,
>> I hate to dis-agree with anyone, but in this case I must. It is my
>> feeling that "adjusting" is NEVER the correct proceedure, but the "last
>> resort". In the case of a Rock-ola that's having this problem, it's about
>> a 99.99% chance that it's a lubrication problem, and that "adjusting the
>> gripper bow" (for which there are no "adjustments") can and will cause
>> serious problems.
>> My very simple test is to play a selection, reject it, while holding down
>> with a slight pressure on the outside front of the bow. Use the other 
>> hand
>> to turn the "service switch" off/on. If , when running the motor slow,
>> you can see the bow "grip the record", PRIOR to starting upward, your
>> problem is lubrication...You can also do this test by turning the gripper
>> motor by hand.
>> I almost never find it necessary to dis-assemble the gripper--just use a
>> good penertrating oil, and "exercise" it for 20 to 40 minutes. I find 
>> that
>> it is most important that once it is free enough to work on both sides of
>> a record, it MUST be totally re-oiled with a 20 wt ND motor oil, then be
>> run for a few hours. (they begin to work right on one side of the records
>> faster then on the other side)
>> Hint, when you first put the pen. oil on it---remove a bunch of records,
>> and short out the end of record trip switch. You can just let it run that
>> way, without worring about busting records--Ron Rich
>>
>> Gary Young wrote:
>> Klaus, it could be something as simple as the height
>> of the turntable being too low or the final resting
>> position of the gripper bow being too high. I am not
>> familiar with this machine, but if you have a manual,
>> it should tell you how to adjust these correctly.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> --- klaba at klaba.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I've been offered a Rock-Ola 445 for a reasonable
>>> price, I guess.
>>> It plays and selects ok, but when the record has
>>> been played it won't be
>>> removed but instead
>>> a new record is being dropped over the previuosly
>>> played.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering what kind of fault this is (write
>>> in, read out) and
>>> is this difficult to fix?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Klaus-
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